Re: Starbucks Baristas Union Drive Comes at Key Time

"bernie" <bdigman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Aug 2, 11:35 am, "alan" <in_flagra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "lockjaw" <davebo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > A ridiculous time!  with 600 locations closing.
>>
>> > never fly.  Plus Starbucks treats its employees very well.
>>
>> > and Jack / Izzy?  the problem with GM  etc. ain't the unions -- it is
>> > the idiotic management
>>
>> You're absolutely correct.  And although any serious economic analysis 
>> comes
>> to the same conclusion, don't expect Jack to allow himself to be
confused 
>> by
>> the facts . . .
>
>
>    BMW re****ted on Friday their profits this Q down 33%. Nissan
> re****ted Friday their quarterly profits down 48%. Along with Toyota
> and Honda auto sector profits are glum.
>
>    http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/TOP%20STORY/1799680/
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>  I find it hard to believe that all these companies have "idiotic
> management". Maybe the worst economy in about 50 years has something
> to do with it. Even if they were all producing hybrids at 100% plant
> capacity it wouldn't do any good if folks can't buy a new car.
> Bernie

Certainly the "worst economy in about 50 years" has something (perhaps 
everything) to do with GM's current troubles.  What I was referring to 
was 
what I perceived (perhaps mistakenly) to be Jacks' contention that the UAW

was responsible for GM's big downturn in the 70's which turned Detroit
into 
a ghost town.  GM's inability to hold the market and subsequent inability
to 
re-capture it had nothing to with unions.  While GM was foundering,
Japanese 
and German automakers were doing quite well --- with highly organized and 
very powerful labor unions.  GM's troubles were management based.  Now 
they're mangement-based and economy-based.
alan